EXPO 2009: FSA questions dual pricing
The Financial Services Authority today says that while lenders are not obliged to offer the same products direct and via brokers, it questions why in some cases broker deals are so uncompetitive.

Lesley Titcomb, director of small firms at the FSA, was talking this afternoon at a packed auditorium at the Expo’s AMI Theatre.
While she reiterated that FSA did not expect that lenders have to offer the same product to intermediaries, she says that when a product is so uncompetitively priced through the intermediary, “we do question why lenders would choose to offer the product.”
She says: “Dual pricing is clearly a problem for intermediaries at the moment, but as Robert (Sinclair, director of AMI) pointed out recently in his Mortgage Strategy blog, we can understand why lenders are favouring their own branches in such difficult market conditions, just as we can understand that this makes your job even tougher. They are not obliged to lend through intermediaries. And how they choose to price and distribute their products is up to them.
“I realise this makes life difficult for you, especially when combined with lower levels of activity anyway. But these commercial decisions are not something that the FSA can intervene to stop. However, we do expect lenders to be sensible and act with integrity.
“Where an intermediary product is of such poor value compared to direct product from the same lender, we question why lenders would continue to market that product. And there are some signs that conditions could be improving for intermediaries with a few lenders recently launching exclusive products for intermediaries.”
She also pledged to crack down on large broker commissions and revealed that the regulator was looking to ban the practice of brokers rolling up their fee into the term of the loan.
Titcomb also claimed that the FSA’s proposals on self-cert would not block access to the market for the self-employed and argued that a non-regular income did not mean one that could not be verified.
She says: “Does anyone really think that we really want to stop self-employed people - over three million people - from ever getting a mortgage again? And do we really want to make all lenders ask their customers how much they spend on cigarettes and alcohol? The answer to both of course is no, but you could be fooled into believing otherwise by some of the comments we’ve seen so far.”
She says that the FSA will be working closely with lenders and intermediaries to identify what appropriate forms of income verification are and to define good practice in affordability assessments.
But she rubutted those in the market who have questioned why the market would even need a review in the first place.
She says: “Our existing rules did not do enough to prevent irresponsible lending and borrowing or to secure the fair treatment of borrowers, so we’ve had to look at why that is and in our paper we’ve set out proposals to make improvements.”
On the subject of phoenix firms, Titcomb says that following on from last year’s Mortgage Expo in which she announced plans to toughen up the rules surrounding failing firms who move to a new corporate identity, the regulator received a barrage of intelligence about suspected phoenix firms.
She says: “Our recent work into PPI could mean more firms trying to become Phoenix firms. We are alive to the threat and watching certain firms very closely.”
And on the subject of claims management firms, Titcomb told brokers that if a claims management firm did approach them, they had to be careful.
She says the FSA has seen examples of brokers referring customers to claims firms without asking any questions or proof of any success rate.
Titcomb says: “We expect brokers to act with integrity when referring clients on.”
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Readers' comments (19)
john Reid | 11 Nov 2009 4:09 pm
What a load of nonsense. FSA are not actually questioning Dual pricing they are actually questioning whether it is worth the lender giving brokers deals at all. Great that will help. As for rolling up broker fees, does that mean banning rolling up lawyers fees, arrangement fees and any other fee that might be charged AS WELL as finding a 20% deposit - they may as well shut down the mortgage market in the uK - Get into the real world FSA - get out of your ivory tower making rules and speak to consumers and ask them what they need. Bearing in mind the Taxpayers pay your wages and also saved the F@*%$^ banks.
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Alex. J. Milne | 11 Nov 2009 4:16 pm
Far from me to point the finger but the FSA should not be begging the question regarding Dual Pricing, they should be taking firm and robust action to totally eradicate Dual Pricing all in the name of Treating Customers Fairly. It seems bizarre to me that lenders would not want to extend their best products to brokers who are best able to provide a complete service to clients. In times of 'belt tightening' brokerage can effectively cut lenders overheads.
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Anonymous | 11 Nov 2009 4:16 pm
"We do question why lenders would choose to offer the product.” ~ Because lenders use cheaper mortgages as a hook to sell rubbish tied insurance!
Ms Titcomb, "We do question whether you are up to the job?"
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Calvin Oram | 11 Nov 2009 4:18 pm
Can we assume the same rules that apply to Phoenix firms will apply to the FSA hierachy when they are abolished?
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Anonymous | 11 Nov 2009 4:21 pm
Looks like FSA want to squeeze us even futher re fees. If the Conservatives get in and abolish FSA then some of their spokespeople with find themselves in the cold real world as opposed to a cushy number paid by us.
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John thomas | 11 Nov 2009 4:22 pm
Here here Johnny boy. At last someone speaking with clarity and telling it like it is! The FSA are a bunch of jokers
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Tom Cleary | 11 Nov 2009 4:23 pm
Won't the FSA have to become a phoenix firm next year?
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Anonymous | 11 Nov 2009 4:27 pm
Claims Firms ~ aren't they licensed by the "Ministry of Justice"? Are you suggesting they aren't up to the job of protecting the consumer either?
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Anonymous | 11 Nov 2009 4:31 pm
Nice Effort FSA, you tell the naughty lenders that dual pricing is bad.....you tell them to take away our uncompetitive products....you tell them to do nothing else afterwards!!!
Chocolate T Pot anyone?
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Nick Blatcher | 11 Nov 2009 4:35 pm
Again the FSA living in a world of their own. When specialist products do re-appear a sector of society will be unable to obtain advice. With the huge amount of extra work involved in say an adverse application we would expect an increased proc fee, if an increased proc fee is unavailable a client fee will be introduced/increased to compensate. If this can't be rolled into the loan & the client can't afford to pay it upfront then where do they go? The people who need advice the most will be denied it.
Is there any difference between this and to a lender adding an extortionate £5k fee into the loan.
By the way I am non-fee charging at the moment, but with the extra burdens placed on us by the FSA it looks as if we will have join most of our colleagues & go down this route to survive.
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